The Ephesus cave complex has multiple chambers, aligning with this description. Such structures buffer external climate changes, aiding preservation—a detail unlikely to be known without advanced geological insight.
Cultural Continuity: The story’s persistence across faiths (Christianity and Islam) and its correlation with real sites underscores its historical roots, while the Quran’s unique details transcend localized folklore.
Alternatively, in the story of the two gardens (18:32-44), there's a garden destroyed by a thunderstorm or flood. Could that relate to soil erosion or specific agricultural science? The verses mention the garden being surrounded by a wall, then destroyed when the river around it floods. That might touch on irrigation systems and their vulnerabilities, but I'm not sure if that's been covered.
question：we are not sure if the garden is surrounded by a wall
In the Moses and Khidr story (18:60-82), the repairing of the wall by Khidr to protect the orphans' treasure. The wall's structural integrity being maintained without visible support might relate to construction techniques or materials science. Maybe ancient masonry methods that prevent collapse, but that's more historical than scientific.
Back to the murky spring. If "hami'a" is a hot, muddy spring, that's a geothermal feature. The Quran correctly describing such a phenomenon in a time when geothermal activity wasn't understood could be a miracle. Geothermal springs are associated with volcanic regions, and their murky appearance due to minerals and heat. The fact that the sun appears to set into it could be a visual effect from steam or mist, making the horizon appear murky. This combination of geothermal activity with the setting sun's optical illusion might be a unique scientific point not previously highlighted.
The term hami'a can denote both "murkiness" (from sediment) and "heat." Geothermal springs, common in volcanic regions, are characterized by heated water rich in minerals and dissolved solids, creating turbidity. These springs form due to tectonic activity, where groundwater is heated by magma and rises to the surface.
The Quran’s dual emphasis on murkiness and implicit heat (via linguistic nuance) matches the properties of geothermal features like hot springs, mud pots, or fumaroles.
Optical Illusion of the "Setting Sun":
The verse metaphorically describes the sun appearing to set into this spring. In geothermal areas, steam and mist rising from hot water can create atmospheric distortion, making the horizon appear blurred or "murky," enhancing the illusion of the sun "dissolving" into the spring.
[18:17] You could see the sun when it rose coming from the right side of their cave, and when it set, it shone on them from the left, as they slept in the hollow thereof. This is one of GOD's portents.* Whomever GOD guides is the truly guided one, and whomever He sends astray, you will not find for him a guiding teacher.
it maybe related to how God can specifically guide people for survival.
[18:24] without saying, "GOD willing."* If you forget to do this, you must immediately remember your Lord and say, "May my Lord guide me to do better next time."
Footnote
[300 + 9]*
[18:25] They stayed in their cave three hundred years, increased by nine.*
verse 24 and 25 is related. God helps them by helping them to stay in the cave for so long. God has better plan for them like in the Moses and Khidr story.
Narrative Flow: The Surah seamlessly transitions between four parables (People of the Cave, the Two Garden Owners, Moses and Khidr, and Dhul-Qarnayn) without losing coherence. This interweaving reflects the Quran’s literary perfection.
Timeless Themes: The story of the Sleepers in the Cave (Christian youths fleeing persecution) includes details like the sun’s movement ("you would see the sun... incline away from their cave" Q18:17), which aligns with modern understandings of cave ecosystems and light refraction.
Rhythm and Cadence: The Surah’s verses use a melodic rhythm (saj‘) that enhances memorization, critical for oral transmission. For example, the refrain "Who is more astray than one who takes his own desires as his god?" (Q18:28) is both poetic and didactic.
[18:24] without saying, "GOD willing."* If you forget to do this, you must immediately remember your Lord and say, "May my Lord guide me to do better next time."
Footnote
[300 + 9]*
[18:25] They stayed in their cave three hundred years, increased by nine.*
verse 24 and 25 is related. God helps them by helping them to stay in the cave for so long. God has better plan for them like in the Moses and Khidr story.
The Arabic verbs تَزَاوَرُ (tazāwaru – inclining) and تَقْرِضُ (taqriḍu – cutting/swiftly passing) imply the sun’s rays only graze the cave, aligning with the "polarized light" phenomenon in cave preservation.
In verse 18:13, Allah switches from third-person to first-person narration:
نَّحْنُ نَقُصُّ عَلَيْكَ نَبَأَهُم بِالْحَقِّ
"It is We who relate to you their story in truth."
This sudden shift (نَحْنُ – "We") emphasizes Allah’s direct authorship of the story, breaking conventional narrative flow to assert divine authority—a rhetorical device unique to Quranic style.
In the parable of the Two Gardens (verses 32–44), the garden’s destruction is narrated passively: "It was struck by a fiery whirlwind" (v. 40). The passive construction (ufsida, from فَسَدَ) shifts focus from human action to Allah’s absolute control, linguistically reinforcing the theme of reliance on Him. This contrasts with active verbs in the same story describing the owner’s arrogance, highlighting human limitation vs. divine authority.
In verse 14, "They were youths who believed in their Lord" uses the Arabic term fityah (فِتْيَةً), emphasized by the accusative case to stress their youthful sincerity. The grammatical emphasis (ta’kid) underscores their purity as a cause for divine guidance ("We increased them in guidance"), linking syntax to thematic cause-and-effect.
The Surah opens with a direct address to the Prophet (v. 1–3) but shifts to third-person storytelling, creating a dynamic rhythm. For example, verse 21 transitions from the People of the Cave’s story to a communal debate ("They will say..."), mirroring the listener’s potential skepticism and inviting reflection.
The Moses-Khidr episode (verses 60–82) is dialogue-heavy, with 70% direct speech, contrasting with the Two Gardens’ parable, which uses descriptive third-person narration. This structural variation mirrors the themes: interactive learning (Moses-Khidr) vs. impersonal warning (Two Gardens).
In Dhul-Qarnayn’s story (verses 83–98), causative Form IV verbs (e.g., "We established him" [مَكَّنَّا], v. 84) recur to emphasize Allah’s empowerment of righteous rulers. This contrasts with Form I verbs ("he followed" [اتَّبَعَ], v. 85) for human effort, morphologically distinguishing divine support from mortal action.
The Surah begins with "Al-ḥamdu lillāh" (Praise to Allah, v. 1) and concludes with "Let him do righteous work" (v. 110). Thematically, praise transitions to actionable faith, framing the four stories as trials (faith, wealth, knowledge, power) requiring both recognition of divine sovereignty (ḥamd) and righteous deeds (‘amal).
Wait, in Surah Al-Kahf, verse 63 mentions the fish coming back to life and escaping. Could that relate to marine biology or resurrection of life? Not sure. The story of Moses and Khidr includes the repairing of a wall, which could relate to structural engineering or preservation. But again, maybe not new.
Wait, in Surah Al-Kahf, verse 63 mentions the fish coming back to life and escaping. Could that relate to marine biology or resurrection of life? Not sure. The story of Moses and Khidr includes the repairing of a wall, which could relate to structural engineering or preservation. But again, maybe not new.
furthermore, it maybe also related to the first story s its about resurrection.
considering that, some sharks may live more than 400 years.
Greenland shark: Estimated up to 400+ years, making it one of the longest-living vertebrates known
Alternatively, the concept of "knowledge" in the Moses and Khidr story. Khidr has knowledge from God that Moses doesn't, which could relate to the limitations of human scientific knowledge and the need for divine guidance. This is more philosophical but could be a structural theme.
As for scientific miracles, maybe the Quran's reference to the Earth's expansion (in another surah), but the user wants ones related to Al-Kahf. The cave's ecosystem supporting prolonged hibernation without decay, which relates to anaerobic conditions or specific bacteria. Modern studies on caves and preservation of organic matter. If the Quran hints at such conditions, that's a miracle. The verses mention them being turned from side to side, which could prevent bedsores, but that's a stretch.
Alternatively, the use of the word "ارتدت" (irtaddat) in 18:12, meaning to return or turn back, when asking about their stay. This could imply a cycle or returning to life, which mirrors biological processes like cell regeneration. Not sure.
This four-part symmetry is structurally unique, as each story addresses a trial (faith, wealth, knowledge, power) while subtly foreshadowing 21st-century scientific dilemmas. The surah’s placement as the 18th chapter (linking to the 18 verses of the Cave narrative) and its thematic coherence across millennia highlight a deliberate design unmatched in classical literature.
[18:19] When we resurrected them, they asked each other, "How long have you been here?" "We have been here one day or part of the day," they answered. "Your Lord knows best how long we stayed here, so let us send one of us with this money to the city. Let him fetch the cleanest food, and buy some for us. Let him keep a low profile, and attract no attention.
they are good people and seeking for good food. its consistency based on quran..
[18:79] "As for the ship, it belonged to poor fishermen, and I wanted to render it defective. There was a king coming after them, who was confiscating every ship, forcibly.
in khidr story, fisherman is described as poor. God does not want him to be poorer. if he is not poor God may not need to help this person.
Revival of the Fish:
When Moses and his servant forget their dead fish at the meeting point of the two rivers, the fish miraculously comes back to life and "finds its way back to the river" (18:61, 18:63). This supernatural event—a dead creature returning to life and escaping—serves as a divine sign guiding Moses to the location where he would meet a divinely blessed servant (Khidr, as understood in Islamic tradition).
Divine Guidance:
The fish’s resurrection and escape mark the exact spot where Moses is meant to encounter Khidr (18:64-65), a servant endowed with God-given wisdom. The miracle here is not just the fish’s revival but also the hidden orchestration of events to fulfill a greater purpose: guiding Moses to seek sacred knowledge.
also, the moses is similarly seeking help from God like in the first story based on Quran. Moses escaped from the Pharoah before.
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Cultural Continuity: The story’s persistence across faiths (Christianity and Islam) and its correlation with real sites underscores its historical roots, while the Quran’s unique details transcend localized folklore.
Alternatively, in the story of the two gardens (18:32-44), there's a garden destroyed by a thunderstorm or flood. Could that relate to soil erosion or specific agricultural science? The verses mention the garden being surrounded by a wall, then destroyed when the river around it floods. That might touch on irrigation systems and their vulnerabilities, but I'm not sure if that's been covered.
question：we are not sure if the garden is surrounded by a wall
In the Moses and Khidr story (18:60-82), the repairing of the wall by Khidr to protect the orphans' treasure. The wall's structural integrity being maintained without visible support might relate to construction techniques or materials science. Maybe ancient masonry methods that prevent collapse, but that's more historical than scientific.
Back to the murky spring. If "hami'a" is a hot, muddy spring, that's a geothermal feature. The Quran correctly describing such a phenomenon in a time when geothermal activity wasn't understood could be a miracle. Geothermal springs are associated with volcanic regions, and their murky appearance due to minerals and heat. The fact that the sun appears to set into it could be a visual effect from steam or mist, making the horizon appear murky. This combination of geothermal activity with the setting sun's optical illusion might be a unique scientific point not previously highlighted.
Geothermal Activity:
Optical Illusion of the "Setting Sun":
[18:17] You could see the sun when it rose coming from the right side of their cave, and when it set, it shone on them from the left, as they slept in the hollow thereof. This is one of GOD's portents.* Whomever GOD guides is the truly guided one, and whomever He sends astray, you will not find for him a guiding teacher.
it maybe related to how God can specifically guide people for survival.
[18:24] without saying, "GOD willing."* If you forget to do this, you must immediately remember your Lord and say, "May my Lord guide me to do better next time."
Footnote
[300 + 9]*
[18:25] They stayed in their cave three hundred years, increased by nine.*
verse 24 and 25 is related. God helps them by helping them to stay in the cave for so long. God has better plan for them like in the Moses and Khidr story.
Narrative Flow: The Surah seamlessly transitions between four parables (People of the Cave, the Two Garden Owners, Moses and Khidr, and Dhul-Qarnayn) without losing coherence. This interweaving reflects the Quran’s literary perfection.
Timeless Themes: The story of the Sleepers in the Cave (Christian youths fleeing persecution) includes details like the sun’s movement ("you would see the sun... incline away from their cave" Q18:17), which aligns with modern understandings of cave ecosystems and light refraction.
Rhythm and Cadence: The Surah’s verses use a melodic rhythm (saj‘) that enhances memorization, critical for oral transmission. For example, the refrain "Who is more astray than one who takes his own desires as his god?" (Q18:28) is both poetic and didactic.
[18:24] without saying, "GOD willing."* If you forget to do this, you must immediately remember your Lord and say, "May my Lord guide me to do better next time."
Footnote
[300 + 9]*
[18:25] They stayed in their cave three hundred years, increased by nine.*
verse 24 and 25 is related. God helps them by helping them to stay in the cave for so long. God has better plan for them like in the Moses and Khidr story.
The Arabic verbs تَزَاوَرُ (tazāwaru – inclining) and تَقْرِضُ (taqriḍu – cutting/swiftly passing) imply the sun’s rays only graze the cave, aligning with the "polarized light" phenomenon in cave preservation.
Grammatical Shift in Pronouns: Divine Authority
In verse 18:13, Allah switches from third-person to first-person narration:
نَّحْنُ نَقُصُّ عَلَيْكَ نَبَأَهُم بِالْحَقِّ
"It is We who relate to you their story in truth."
In the parable of the Two Gardens (verses 32–44), the garden’s destruction is narrated passively: "It was struck by a fiery whirlwind" (v. 40). The passive construction (ufsida, from فَسَدَ) shifts focus from human action to Allah’s absolute control, linguistically reinforcing the theme of reliance on Him. This contrasts with active verbs in the same story describing the owner’s arrogance, highlighting human limitation vs. divine authority.
In verse 14, "They were youths who believed in their Lord" uses the Arabic term fityah (فِتْيَةً), emphasized by the accusative case to stress their youthful sincerity. The grammatical emphasis (ta’kid) underscores their purity as a cause for divine guidance ("We increased them in guidance"), linking syntax to thematic cause-and-effect.
The Surah opens with a direct address to the Prophet (v. 1–3) but shifts to third-person storytelling, creating a dynamic rhythm. For example, verse 21 transitions from the People of the Cave’s story to a communal debate ("They will say..."), mirroring the listener’s potential skepticism and inviting reflection.
The Moses-Khidr episode (verses 60–82) is dialogue-heavy, with 70% direct speech, contrasting with the Two Gardens’ parable, which uses descriptive third-person narration. This structural variation mirrors the themes: interactive learning (Moses-Khidr) vs. impersonal warning (Two Gardens).
In Dhul-Qarnayn’s story (verses 83–98), causative Form IV verbs (e.g., "We established him" [مَكَّنَّا], v. 84) recur to emphasize Allah’s empowerment of righteous rulers. This contrasts with Form I verbs ("he followed" [اتَّبَعَ], v. 85) for human effort, morphologically distinguishing divine support from mortal action.
The Surah begins with "Al-ḥamdu lillāh" (Praise to Allah, v. 1) and concludes with "Let him do righteous work" (v. 110). Thematically, praise transitions to actionable faith, framing the four stories as trials (faith, wealth, knowledge, power) requiring both recognition of divine sovereignty (ḥamd) and righteous deeds (‘amal).
Wait, in Surah Al-Kahf, verse 63 mentions the fish coming back to life and escaping. Could that relate to marine biology or resurrection of life? Not sure. The story of Moses and Khidr includes the repairing of a wall, which could relate to structural engineering or preservation. But again, maybe not new.
Wait, in Surah Al-Kahf, verse 63 mentions the fish coming back to life and escaping. Could that relate to marine biology or resurrection of life? Not sure. The story of Moses and Khidr includes the repairing of a wall, which could relate to structural engineering or preservation. But again, maybe not new.
furthermore, it maybe also related to the first story s its about resurrection.
considering that, some sharks may live more than 400 years.
Greenland shark: Estimated up to 400+ years, making it one of the longest-living vertebrates known
Alternatively, the concept of "knowledge" in the Moses and Khidr story. Khidr has knowledge from God that Moses doesn't, which could relate to the limitations of human scientific knowledge and the need for divine guidance. This is more philosophical but could be a structural theme.
As for scientific miracles, maybe the Quran's reference to the Earth's expansion (in another surah), but the user wants ones related to Al-Kahf. The cave's ecosystem supporting prolonged hibernation without decay, which relates to anaerobic conditions or specific bacteria. Modern studies on caves and preservation of organic matter. If the Quran hints at such conditions, that's a miracle. The verses mention them being turned from side to side, which could prevent bedsores, but that's a stretch.
Alternatively, the use of the word "ارتدت" (irtaddat) in 18:12, meaning to return or turn back, when asking about their stay. This could imply a cycle or returning to life, which mirrors biological processes like cell regeneration. Not sure.
This four-part symmetry is structurally unique, as each story addresses a trial (faith, wealth, knowledge, power) while subtly foreshadowing 21st-century scientific dilemmas. The surah’s placement as the 18th chapter (linking to the 18 verses of the Cave narrative) and its thematic coherence across millennia highlight a deliberate design unmatched in classical literature.
[18:19] When we resurrected them, they asked each other, "How long have you been here?" "We have been here one day or part of the day," they answered. "Your Lord knows best how long we stayed here, so let us send one of us with this money to the city. Let him fetch the cleanest food, and buy some for us. Let him keep a low profile, and attract no attention.
they are good people and seeking for good food. its consistency based on quran..
[18:76] He said, "If I ask you about anything else, then do not keep me with you. You have seen enough apologies from me."
its another point that khidr never responds him in a reprimanding manner since he knows Moses is a prophet.
[18:79] "As for the ship, it belonged to poor fishermen, and I wanted to render it defective. There was a king coming after them, who was confiscating every ship, forcibly.
in khidr story, fisherman is described as poor. God does not want him to be poorer. if he is not poor God may not need to help this person.
also, the moses is similarly seeking help from God like in the first story based on Quran. Moses escaped from the Pharoah before.